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Tschabalala Self Abdu Ali
Visual Artist & Musician
Tschabalala Self & Abdu Ali

For this episode, we asked visual artist Tschabalala Self who she’d most like to speak with, and she immediately selected her friend Abdu Ali, the musician and multidisciplinary artist. The pair discuss the fantasy of permanent institutional spaces, unapologetic art, and the fraught desire for canonical recognition.

Tschabalala Self is a Harlem-born visual artist whose work concerns Black femininity and the iconographic significance of the Black female body in contemporary culture. Future and recent solo exhibitions include: By My Self (2021, Baltimore Museum of Art), Cotton Mouth (2020, Galerie Eva Presenhuber), and Tschabalala Self: Out of Body (2020, ICA Boston). Self’s work belongs to many prominent museum collections including The Aïshti Foundation, The Art Institute of Chicago, The Hammer Museum, and The Studio Museum in Harlem, among others.

Abdu Ali is a musician, writer, cultural worker, and multidisciplinary artist. Blending punk, jazz, Baltimore club music, and rap, their works explore ideas of race, gender, sexuality, and liberation from oppressive ideologies and systems. Ali has performed at MoMa Ps1 and The Carnegie Museum of Art. They received a 2018 Ruby Artist Grant and a 2019 Best Artist Award by The LGBTQ Commission of Baltimore City. Ali is a co-founder of as they lay, A Baltimore-based curatorial platform that claims space for critical dialogue, collaboration, and radical envisioning for Black creative futures.

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FUSE: A BOMB Podcast extends BOMB’s longstanding commitment to bringing together artists across disciplines to discuss their work and creative practice. Departing from the typical podcast format, there’s no host, no moderator, just two artists in dialogue, unfiltered. Listeners experience the conversation as if they were in the room with the artists.

Here’s how FUSE works:

In each episode, BOMB invites an artist to choose a guest from any creative discipline —

an art crush, a close collaborator, or even a stranger they’ve admired from afar

—and we bring them together.

The result? Candid, unfiltered conversations on art, what inspires it, how it’s made, and what we can learn from it.


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FUSE: A BOMB Podcast is supported in part by an award from the National Endowment for the Arts.


FUSE is overseen and produced by Libby Flores, Associate Publisher at BOMB. It is edited and engineered by Will Smith with production assistance by Josh Dassa. Narration provided by Chantal McStay, Associate Editor at BOMB magazine. Our theme music is “Black Origami” by Jlin.


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